Windows 11


Bob Frostholm
 

Hello Brain Trusts

My HP Laptop is dying a slow death.

New machines come with Win 11.

I've read many threads with complaints and fixes... too many to have absorbed all the knowledge.

Looking initially for an answer to a simple question.


Is it safe for me, a non computer savvy person, to make this migration   e.g. programs like  N1MM, WSJTX, JTALERT, DX Labs, transition easily to the new OS or  should I wait for WIN 11 updates in the next year or so...or until the final spark of life leaves my current machine?

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73

Bob

Ko6Lu



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Bob
KO6LU


Michael Black
 

In my opinion it's not "easy" at all.  Most programs are not designed to transfer easily.  I know JTAlert tells you how in the Help.

Best thing to do is take pictures of all the settings in all your programs and just re-do them on a new computer/installation.

Mike W9MDB




On Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 02:40:55 PM CST, Bob Frostholm <bob@...> wrote:


Hello Brain Trusts

My HP Laptop is dying a slow death.

New machines come with Win 11.

I've read many threads with complaints and fixes... too many to have
absorbed all the knowledge.

Looking initially for an answer to a simple question.


Is it safe for me, a non computer savvy person, to make this migration  
e.g. programs like  N1MM, WSJTX, JTALERT, DX Labs, transition easily to
the new OS or  should I wait for WIN 11 updates in the next year or
so...or until the final spark of life leaves my current machine?

--
73

Bob

Ko6Lu



--
Bob
KO6LU






John VA3BOF
 

Hi Bob,

I was a software developer, but not a windows application developer.  I have had to migrate to updated Windows operating systems and/or new computers or laptops.  

Michael Black is correct.  Moving apps from Win 10 to Win 11 may not be an easy task.  You may not be able to just reinstall the application in Win 11.  So you will have to rely on the developers to create a migration path from Win 10 to Win 11 for software that is not compatible.  

The problem is there are many apps that use pieces of software that may be deprecated in the new OS.  There are always quirks with the new OS that can cause other problems.  Usually the new release needs a little bit of time (a few minor releases) to settle down.

I do not know how old your laptop is nor do I know what you mean it is dying of a slow death.

I have extended the life of a computer/laptop by upgrading the RAM memory to the maximum that it can hold.  What the manufacturer often states in their specs as the maximum is not always true.  You will have to check with the memory manufacturer.  

If your laptop has a HDD (Hard Disk Drive - spinning disk) you may be able to switch it to a SSD (Solid State Drive).  If your drive is a SSD stick these can be upgraded too.  In both cases you can just clone the smaller drive to the larger drive.

In both cases, you should check the maximum speed it can handle before you select your upgrades.

By default almost all pre-built computers/laptops come with the minimum amount of RAM that they get away with but still allow you to add a few applications.  HDD is selected by price point.

I would recommend that you try to find a friend or someone local who you trust to help you make the upgrade or do the migration.

73,
John VA3BOF

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 5:17 PM Michael Black via groups.io <mdblack98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
In my opinion it's not "easy" at all.  Most programs are not designed to transfer easily.  I know JTAlert tells you how in the Help.

Best thing to do is take pictures of all the settings in all your programs and just re-do them on a new computer/installation.

Mike W9MDB




On Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 02:40:55 PM CST, Bob Frostholm <bob@...> wrote:


Hello Brain Trusts

My HP Laptop is dying a slow death.

New machines come with Win 11.

I've read many threads with complaints and fixes... too many to have
absorbed all the knowledge.

Looking initially for an answer to a simple question.


Is it safe for me, a non computer savvy person, to make this migration  
e.g. programs like  N1MM, WSJTX, JTALERT, DX Labs, transition easily to
the new OS or  should I wait for WIN 11 updates in the next year or
so...or until the final spark of life leaves my current machine?

--
73

Bob

Ko6Lu



--
Bob
KO6LU






Michael Black
 

I don't know anybody having any problems with Win11 and any apps yet.

It's not so much the OS change.  I just tried to move a friend from one Win10 to another Win10 and it didn't work for the 7 apps that he runs.  A few worked but a few didn't.  And I though we transferred what we needed.

Mike W9MDB




On Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 08:46:21 PM CST, John VA3BOF <jchintor@...> wrote:


Hi Bob,

I was a software developer, but not a windows application developer.  I have had to migrate to updated Windows operating systems and/or new computers or laptops.  

Michael Black is correct.  Moving apps from Win 10 to Win 11 may not be an easy task.  You may not be able to just reinstall the application in Win 11.  So you will have to rely on the developers to create a migration path from Win 10 to Win 11 for software that is not compatible.  

The problem is there are many apps that use pieces of software that may be deprecated in the new OS.  There are always quirks with the new OS that can cause other problems.  Usually the new release needs a little bit of time (a few minor releases) to settle down.

I do not know how old your laptop is nor do I know what you mean it is dying of a slow death.

I have extended the life of a computer/laptop by upgrading the RAM memory to the maximum that it can hold.  What the manufacturer often states in their specs as the maximum is not always true.  You will have to check with the memory manufacturer.  

If your laptop has a HDD (Hard Disk Drive - spinning disk) you may be able to switch it to a SSD (Solid State Drive).  If your drive is a SSD stick these can be upgraded too.  In both cases you can just clone the smaller drive to the larger drive.

In both cases, you should check the maximum speed it can handle before you select your upgrades.

By default almost all pre-built computers/laptops come with the minimum amount of RAM that they get away with but still allow you to add a few applications.  HDD is selected by price point.

I would recommend that you try to find a friend or someone local who you trust to help you make the upgrade or do the migration.

73,
John VA3BOF

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 5:17 PM Michael Black via groups.io <mdblack98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
In my opinion it's not "easy" at all.  Most programs are not designed to transfer easily.  I know JTAlert tells you how in the Help.

Best thing to do is take pictures of all the settings in all your programs and just re-do them on a new computer/installation.

Mike W9MDB




On Wednesday, November 24, 2021, 02:40:55 PM CST, Bob Frostholm <bob@...> wrote:


Hello Brain Trusts

My HP Laptop is dying a slow death.

New machines come with Win 11.

I've read many threads with complaints and fixes... too many to have
absorbed all the knowledge.

Looking initially for an answer to a simple question.


Is it safe for me, a non computer savvy person, to make this migration  
e.g. programs like  N1MM, WSJTX, JTALERT, DX Labs, transition easily to
the new OS or  should I wait for WIN 11 updates in the next year or
so...or until the final spark of life leaves my current machine?

--
73

Bob

Ko6Lu



--
Bob
KO6LU






HamApps Support (VK3AMA)
 

On 25/11/2021 7:40 am, Bob Frostholm wrote:

My HP Laptop is dying a slow death.

New machines come with Win 11.

I've read many threads with complaints and fixes... too many to have absorbed all the knowledge.

Looking initially for an answer to a simple question.


Is it safe for me, a non computer savvy person, to make this migration   e.g. programs like  N1MM, WSJTX, JTALERT, DX Labs, transition easily to the new OS or  should I wait for WIN 11 updates in the next year or so...or until the final spark of life leaves my current machine?

-- 
73

Bob

Ko6Lu

Doing an OS upgrade while preserving existing applications can be problematic especially on heavily used machines that have seen many app installs/upgrades/uninstalls over the years.

Windows itself can become tired (slow) after it has been in use for several years with numerous updates. Often a fresh install of Windows and reinstall of needed applications after a disk format is enough to bring some zip back into your PC experience. A fresh OS install is a good opportunity to get rid of old no-longer used applications, in my experience.

JTAlert and other common Ham applications should not be affected by a Win11 OS. I have not seen any incompatibility reports with Win11.

de Laurie VK3AMA


Captain Fantastic
 

Without much trouble at all, you can find threads where someone will be complaining about any topic you want to search for. People tend to be more vocal when things do go well... vs when things do.

While most hams enjoy tinkering with things until they can "make it work," doing an in-place OS upgrade on a computer that's older than 3 years old is a complete waste of time and effort.

What's your time worth to you? Would you want to spend time on something that needs replacing anyway?

For me... there's some good DX out there and I want to go work it. I'm buying a new computer. I'll leave my existing computer running my station while I install my software on the new computer. Once I get the new computer where I want it, I'll stick the old one in the close for 90. If I don't get it out for 90 days, it goes to the junk. 

And use something like OneDrive, Dropbox... Google Drive... whatever so you don't have to endure the pain of copying your files over.

73 de Seth, KC9TLG


Dev Null
 

an in-place OS upgrade on a computer that's older than 3 years old is a complete waste of time and effort
Bravo! I am glad somebody finally said this.

I would also add - don't try to use the shack computer for anything else. You could buy four new computers for the price of a good rig these days. Nowadays the computer has far more to do with making a contact than the rig.

Get a good time sync app, then dedicate it to WSJTX, JTAlert and your logger only. Don't use it to check email or even visit web sites, except to update the apps - as soon as you do you are opening yourself up to trouble, and you are more likely to lose your sound device settings, among other things.


chas cartmel
 

I use my shack computer for all my main software, MS Office with Word, MS Outlook, Excel etc., Video editing, Adobe CS4 suite, many large multiplayer games (one over 1.6 Gb). Software writing tools (IDE) and many more utilities. In total about 3 Tb over 4 SSDs total 5 Tb space
I also have an excellent Anti-Virus and Firewall software.

NEVER had an issue, all runs without issue. The main Ham programs are WSJT-X, JTAlert-X, Ham Radio Deluxe (the free one) with DM780 and logbook. Also I have specialist software for net management written myself.

All this connected on a private network to two other computers via Ethernet as well as Network Attached Storage.

Virus checks are done Live as well as a full system check on a weekly basis. I just don’t run anything without checking first or open dodgy emails. These get trapped by AV software anyhow.


73 Charlie

G4EST

www.g4est.me.uk

Stay safe out there

 

 

 

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an in-place OS upgrade on a computer that's older than 3 years old is a complete waste of time and effort

Bravo! I am glad somebody finally said this.

I would also add - don't try to use the shack computer for anything else. You could buy four new computers for the price of a good rig these days. Nowadays the computer has far more to do with making a contact than the rig.

Get a good time sync app, then dedicate it to WSJTX, JTAlert and your logger only. Don't use it to check email or even visit web sites, except to update the apps - as soon as you do you are opening yourself up to trouble, and you are more likely to lose your sound device settings, among other things.


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Tim Reimers KA4LFP
 

"an in-place OS upgrade on a computer that's older than 3 years old is a complete waste of time and effort"

"Bravo! I am glad somebody finally said this"


 I don't know that I would go so far as 3 years.
 And I work in IT professionally, in a large enterprise org.
 5 years is probably more the limit and is considered the replacement cycle lifetime for most desktop hardware.

That said the jump from windows 7 to Windows 10 made a lot more older computers more usable.

Almost everything I own was originally windows 7, and is now 5 to 8 years old. and and when I upgraded it to Windows 10, essentially got a new life since 10 is much better written at its kernel level..

 Most folks I have heard complaining about Windows 10 either do not run their systems properly or have hardware far older than that that they want to work Windows 10 with.