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locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

Thanks neil_zampelia....From what I have understood, from many people complaining about this they have blocked the multi-threading from normal frequencies with the latest version but I could be wrong about that I haven't upgraded my version.  I actually started off trying DXPedtion Mode with WSJT-X first and was have a lot of people attempting to contact me in normal operating mode.  I was messaging them via JT Alert walking them through it but I think he confusing aspect to that is DXPedtion Mode was designed mainly for DXPedtions. So the operator chasing the DX probably has already familiarized them self with the mode.  With this being a Special Event instead of a contest a large number wasn't familiar with it.  That is then when I had the idea to try out MSHV and it appeared to allow people in DXPedtion mode via WSJT-X to work me just fine since I was on the edge of the water fall to the left around 300 and the people working normal mode of course had no issues.

I think it is one of those things if used correctly can be ok but when used wrong especially on FT4 it could really take off a lot of bandwidth especially on a already crowded waterfall.  I have seen some of the DXPedtion guys running up to 5 streams on normal operating freq before and they were transmitting over people with out knowing it.


locked Re: Click on JTAlert and get PathFinder to see "Call sign" ?

KD7YZ Bob
 

On 7/6/2020 20:12, HamApps Support (VK3AMA) wrote:
On 7/07/2020 5:30 am, KD7YZ Bob wrote:

The most likely cause of a DDE connection failure is Windows preventing the connection due to a permissions level mismatch. Very likely you have all the DXLab suite of programs set to run as Administrator or DXLab Launcher is set to run elevated which will automatically cause all the programs it launches to be elevated. Windows will prevent any normal privileged program (JTAlert) from communicating via DDE with elevated programs.
Excellent Laurie.

Even the folders for both DXLabs and for HamApps were 'Admin' owned as well as everything underneath them.

I set each folder, and child folders/programs thereby, to 'Username/users ... under 'Properties'/ security/Advanced , Owner ..

Then I verified the exe's had been changed to the correct level.

Thank you. All back to normal now.

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73
Bob KD7YZ
AMSAT LM #901


locked Re: Spam from K2G

neil_zampella
 

FWIW ... I won't work anyone using MSHV's multi-threading.  The reason?  Despite multiple requests from the developers, and others, the MSHV developer will not block the use of the multithreading from the standard frequencies.      The use of such on the standard frequencies tends to cause confusion to other operators since they believe its WSJT-X DXPedtion mode, then are really confused as they can't use it on the normal frequencies.    Also, such use on the normal frequencies tends to cause even more crowding on an already crowded band.    

You, at least, did try to stay off the normal frequencies, so you should have used the original DXPedition mode in WSJT-X. 

My 2 cents,

Neil, KN3ILZ


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Frank Kirschner
 

No matter how many times you test it, you can never be sure of all the things software might do. Not a problem.

73,
Frank
KF6E

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 1:45 PM Thomas Mize KJ4GK <threemanpro@...> wrote:
Laurie VK3AMA, It was Me. KJ4GK I wote a full explanation to this post.  I just hope to God you forgive me brother.


locked Re: JTAlertV2.Manager will not start

John
 

Laurie,

Here's what I sent to Neil KN3ILZ:� "Naturally after I complained it seems to be working OK on both computers. It's like having toothache that goes away when you go to the dentist
�I'll wait until it fails before I fill out the Contact Support form"

John

On 7/6/2020 9:02 PM, HamApps Support (VK3AMA) wrote:
On 6/07/2020 7:06 am, John wrote:
If you find a solution please let me know. I'm having the same problem. Messages to and from Laurie haven't come up with a solution. I asked if there was a way to force it to start. Laurie said it's hard wired in the program.
After many attempts I occasionally get it started, then after using it I minimize it rather than closing it, that works great until a computer restart is needed.
73, John

John,

Please use the "Help" -> "Contact Support" menu, on the main JTAlert window, to send me your JTAlert files for analysis.

After sending your support request, please do the following...
  • Uninstall JTAlert using Windows Control Panel.
  • Using Windows File Explorer, navigate to the folder where you had JTAlert installed.
  • Delete any remaining files and folders in your old JTAlert install directory.
  • Install JTAlert.

After having done this cleanup and reinstall start JTAlert and leave running for 3 minutes thensend another support request.


Thanks

de Laurie VK3AMA


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National Hurricane Center, WX4NHC
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locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

Laurie VK3AMA, It was Me. KJ4GK I wote a full explanation to this post.  I just hope to God you forgive me brother.


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

Michael Black....It wasn't a they, It was just me bud. I just want to make sure it is very very very clear that I did this alone. I had good intentions so I could alert people to where I was at operating but it turned out to be a terrible Idea. I am sorry to have upset you or anyone else.


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

He Michael Aust. I can't speak for others but I have been using MSHV for this contest. No external Robot Software.  When running Big Contest and Special Events like this Automation becomes a good friend :)  Especially when you have pile ups of 25 or more people.  There are macro external programs I have seen people using out there from watching videos on Youtube. It is crazy the idea people have.


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

Actually that is a very very good idea. Thank you Michael.  What would be a good idea especially if you have been working a freq and are about to switch also.


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

Hey bud, sorry if I caused you any problems. I only do 5 Streams outside. If it was someone doing 5 Streams on a reg frequency it sure wasn't me. I am no aware of any way to do 6 at one time but who knows what software there is out there.  You can work up to 5 Stations at one time doing F/H mode or Multi Stream mode. Again sorry if I caused you any trouble.


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Michael Black
 

Proper contrition being shown Thomas...

The way to do this might have been to send an FT8 message like this periodically on the main FT8 section.  Just makes the 13 char maximum.

QSY K2G 14076

Mike W9MDB


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 12:19:59 PM CDT, Thomas Mize KJ4GK <threemanpro@...> wrote:


I am the one responsible for the messages being sent the last few days using JT Alert and I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

Allow me to explain please...

First off, this is absolutely embarrassing. My Name is Thomas Mize - KJ4GK and this is my first year volunteering to operate as K2G along with many others ops from GA for the 13 Colonies Special Event.

I am one of those type of guys that always tries to think out side the box. In a way, it is a good thing in many situations, but with what happened with this IT WAS NOT :(

What gave this idea, was what a fellow Ham said. He stated, that he wasn't having a lot of luck on the allocated frequencies even with spotting them.  The word wasn't getting out well enough.  Just by hearing him say that.  Once I got off the phone I had the idea popped off in my thick skull, I was like, "If I could send messages out to operators that are already on the band operating FT8/4 and Invite them over to the frequencies it would be GREAT!"

Then my thought was..."BUT...a big BUT, I cannot allow messages to be sent to anyone twice. In my mind that was the key. If people received messages more then once, this would NOT BE A GOOD THING AT ALL!!!

So I attempted to work on the program and found out that I wouldn't be able to implement the code to make sure it doesn't send to the same operator twice(A little over my head) so I jumped on a Freelance Site and Hired a Programmer for $80 to help me with this. I also told him only messages to be sent to operators that were online as well. I explained how important it was that people can't be sent the same message twice. I needed a database to be implemented.

The next day he sent the source over and it appeared to be working GREAT. I was getting a lot of replies thanking me so much for inviting them.  I was so happy because It was working and it was bringing people to the freq. BUT. . .

Last night I received my first message alerting me that a person had received a message more then once, for me to quit.  It startled me. Then I received another message a few minutes later, so I stopped the program IMMEDIATELY! 

This morning I woke up to find Laurie's message he had sent about the messages, then saw this in the group.io and my heart DROPPED. You can say the emotions I had was of ANGER mixed with Embarrassment.

I contacted the programmer right away and requested my money back and I let him know HOW UPSET I WAS!!!!!!!!!! that it had caused a uproar AMONG fellow Ham operators and that many people were very upset and that messages were being sent to people more then once which is the MOST IMPORTANT reason I hired him in the first place.

I am deeply sorry about this to everyone.   I was just wanting to think out side the box and do something that would help spread the word of the Event and to invite operators over to work K2G.  I was hoping if it worked out great I could share it with the other States for next year.  I see that it did help MANY people. I have received well over 100+ messages thanking me BUT it came with the expense of upsetting people which just isn't right.  Honestly since this happened, it has got me to pondering and thinking a lot. Even if it never sent to someone twice, I still am not to sure if it was a good idea at all.  I just wasn't thinking.  I'm just a guy that want to help people, I've always been that way, I'm 37 Years old and have 2 precious kids and thank God they took after me. They are the same way. 

Again I take full responsibility for this Laurie.  It in no way should reflect on K2G or any other operators as a group. I had this idea single handed and no one else used this but me. I have deleted the source code and the program and will no longer EVER use this again.

I just hope Laurie you will find it in your heart to forgive me.  My intentions were positive I promise, and now My IP Address which is my home IP address has been blocked. In response to one of your messages I wasn't behind a VPN. I don't own one. I was just trying to help.  I have only slept no more then 4 Hours every day so far for this event. I felt so privileged to be able to participate and now I feel terrible! I am one of the biggest Fans of JT Alert and have been enjoying it everyday for a whole year now. Being a programmer my self(No where near as good as you) I have a special respect for you as a programmer because I can fathom how much work it takes to keep something like this going out of the good will of your heart).

I repeat one last time, This will never happen again, I have deleted all the files. It was a good idea at the time that turned out to be a terrible one.  I am so sorry for anyone that I angered. 

Sincerely,

Thomas Mize  KJ4GK

If you can forgive me Laurie I would love to be able to use Hamspots and Jt Alert still. It has been a big part of my life for the last year. If not I understand.  I am on a static IP over here and it doesn't change as far as I know. 73 Everyone.


locked Re: Spam from K2G

Thomas Mize KJ4GK
 

I am the one responsible for the messages being sent the last few days using JT Alert and I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY.

Allow me to explain please...

First off, this is absolutely embarrassing. My Name is Thomas Mize - KJ4GK and this is my first year volunteering to operate as K2G along with many others ops from GA for the 13 Colonies Special Event.

I am one of those type of guys that always tries to think out side the box. In a way, it is a good thing in many situations, but with what happened with this IT WAS NOT :(

What gave this idea, was what a fellow Ham said. He stated, that he wasn't having a lot of luck on the allocated frequencies even with spotting them.  The word wasn't getting out well enough.  Just by hearing him say that.  Once I got off the phone I had the idea popped off in my thick skull, I was like, "If I could send messages out to operators that are already on the band operating FT8/4 and Invite them over to the frequencies it would be GREAT!"

Then my thought was..."BUT...a big BUT, I cannot allow messages to be sent to anyone twice. In my mind that was the key. If people received messages more then once, this would NOT BE A GOOD THING AT ALL!!!

So I attempted to work on the program and found out that I wouldn't be able to implement the code to make sure it doesn't send to the same operator twice(A little over my head) so I jumped on a Freelance Site and Hired a Programmer for $80 to help me with this. I also told him only messages to be sent to operators that were online as well. I explained how important it was that people can't be sent the same message twice. I needed a database to be implemented.

The next day he sent the source over and it appeared to be working GREAT. I was getting a lot of replies thanking me so much for inviting them.  I was so happy because It was working and it was bringing people to the freq. BUT. . .

Last night I received my first message alerting me that a person had received a message more then once, for me to quit.  It startled me. Then I received another message a few minutes later, so I stopped the program IMMEDIATELY! 

This morning I woke up to find Laurie's message he had sent about the messages, then saw this in the group.io and my heart DROPPED. You can say the emotions I had was of ANGER mixed with Embarrassment.

I contacted the programmer right away and requested my money back and I let him know HOW UPSET I WAS!!!!!!!!!! that it had caused a uproar AMONG fellow Ham operators and that many people were very upset and that messages were being sent to people more then once which is the MOST IMPORTANT reason I hired him in the first place.

I am deeply sorry about this to everyone.   I was just wanting to think out side the box and do something that would help spread the word of the Event and to invite operators over to work K2G.  I was hoping if it worked out great I could share it with the other States for next year.  I see that it did help MANY people. I have received well over 100+ messages thanking me BUT it came with the expense of upsetting people which just isn't right.  Honestly since this happened, it has got me to pondering and thinking a lot. Even if it never sent to someone twice, I still am not to sure if it was a good idea at all.  I just wasn't thinking.  I'm just a guy that want to help people, I've always been that way, I'm 37 Years old and have 2 precious kids and thank God they took after me. They are the same way. 

Again I take full responsibility for this Laurie.  It in no way should reflect on K2G or any other operators as a group. I had this idea single handed and no one else used this but me. I have deleted the source code and the program and will no longer EVER use this again.

I just hope Laurie you will find it in your heart to forgive me.  My intentions were positive I promise, and now My IP Address which is my home IP address has been blocked. In response to one of your messages I wasn't behind a VPN. I don't own one. I was just trying to help.  I have only slept no more then 4 Hours every day so far for this event. I felt so privileged to be able to participate and now I feel terrible! I am one of the biggest Fans of JT Alert and have been enjoying it everyday for a whole year now. Being a programmer my self(No where near as good as you) I have a special respect for you as a programmer because I can fathom how much work it takes to keep something like this going out of the good will of your heart).

I repeat one last time, This will never happen again, I have deleted all the files. It was a good idea at the time that turned out to be a terrible one.  I am so sorry for anyone that I angered. 

Sincerely,

Thomas Mize  KJ4GK

If you can forgive me Laurie I would love to be able to use Hamspots and Jt Alert still. It has been a big part of my life for the last year. If not I understand.  I am on a static IP over here and it doesn't change as far as I know. 73 Everyone.


locked Re: JTAlertV2.Manager will not start

John
 

Thank you. Naturally after I complained it seems to be working OK on both computers. It's like having toothache that goes away when you go to the dentist
 I'll wait until it fails before I fill out the Contact Support form
Thanks and stay safe
73
John

On 7/7/2020 6:32 AM, neil_zampella wrote:

John,

accept the installer defaults ... it will put it in the correct location expected.

 

Neil, KN3ILZ


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locked Re: Decoding Irregularities

Craig
 

Thanks Tom for the guidance.  I made the change and will see what happens.  I did notice from the WSJT-X logfile that the FT4 frequency changed from 14.080 after the initial contact to 14.074 but everything is still noted as FT4.  That shows the decoding issue and reason, but not the cause.

Thank you again Tom..

73's  Craig

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:52 AM Tom Job <ve3ii@...> wrote:
I had the same issue with WSJT-X "skipping" decode cycles.  Very frustrating!!  Through their forum, I found a workaround that seems to fix it.  Just change the priority of WSJT-X to Realtime instead of the default Normal setting.

Right click on the taskbar and select Task Master. Select the Details tab and scroll down the list to WSJT-X.exe.  Right click on it and select Select Priorty and from the selections, choose Realtime.  Confirm it with the Change Priorty pop-up.

One issue is that you have to do this each time you start WSJT-X, even on a reboot.  It may put a wee stress on your CPU but not a whole lot and only for a second or two, depending on your CPU.  My shack laptop is old but it handles it fine.

I hope that helps.... it works for me with Windows 8.1 and a mighty 1.4GHz CPU :P

73, Tom VE3II


locked Re: Decoding Irregularities

Tom Job
 

I had the same issue with WSJT-X "skipping" decode cycles.  Very frustrating!!  Through their forum, I found a workaround that seems to fix it.  Just change the priority of WSJT-X to Realtime instead of the default Normal setting.

Right click on the taskbar and select Task Master. Select the Details tab and scroll down the list to WSJT-X.exe.  Right click on it and select Select Priorty and from the selections, choose Realtime.  Confirm it with the Change Priorty pop-up.

One issue is that you have to do this each time you start WSJT-X, even on a reboot.  It may put a wee stress on your CPU but not a whole lot and only for a second or two, depending on your CPU.  My shack laptop is old but it handles it fine.

I hope that helps.... it works for me with Windows 8.1 and a mighty 1.4GHz CPU :P

73, Tom VE3II


locked Re: Spam from K2G

WB5JJJ - George
 

Laurie

Just sent you information via the Support email. 
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73's
George - WB5JJJ


locked Re: Spam from K2G

scot
 

All,

very interesting that someone would do this to a SES that has been in operation for multiple years. My hope is that there is someone within that group that operated K2G that would educate him. Knowing this, I will not bother to work him in future years. It is not a good appearance for those that put on the special event either.

Scott
N2SAB


locked Re: Decoding Irregularities

Craig
 

Thanks Bill - I have contacted WSJT-X Support.  C

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:31 AM g4wjs <bill.8@...> wrote:
On 07/07/2020 14:23, Craig wrote:
> Using WSJT-X V2.2.2 and JTAlert v2.16.8  Half of the time WSJT-X RX
> Frequency decoding misses TX-3 / TX-4 / TX-5 sequences.  I have lost
> numerous QSO's not seeing the conclusion of the exchange sequence. No
> difference if I am observing another station exchanges, or my own. 
> Seems to be more frequent when Hold TX Freq is used, but guessing a
> bit here.  I think that the problem started when the WSJT-X decoding
> timing supposedly improved with v2.2.1
>
> I have uninstalled and re-loaded WSJT-X and JTAlert,  Problem continues.
>
> Is anyone seeing this?

Hi Craig,

it seems you are reporting a WSJT-X issue, WSJT-X has its own support
list (https://wsjtx.groups.io/g/main).

Please provide an extract from your WSJT-X ALL.TXT file
("Menu->File->Open log directory") that covers one of these "failed" QSOs?

73
Bill
G4WJS.



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73
Bill
G4WJS.




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WB5JJJ - George
 

I was first keyed into his operation when I got a JTA F5 message to operate split (which I always do) a couple of days ago during the 13Col.  When I responded that I was, he said that it was not intended for me, but had a "glitch" in his macro and it was sent to all stations at once. 

Yes, he is in fact using a macro he wrote to send out hundreds of messages to all those that he has copied.  He initiated a JTA F5 chat about this and he even has a video on how he does it.  He's a younger guy and a software developer.  He also said that lots of hams don't like his methods, but it works for him. 

If it happens again, then I'll just block his callsign in JTA and not worry about the "spam".  Maybe Laurie could add something to the hamspots website to prevent this in the future. 
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73's
George - WB5JJJ


locked Re: Decoding Irregularities

g4wjs
 

On 07/07/2020 14:23, Craig wrote:
Using WSJT-X V2.2.2 and JTAlert v2.16.8  Half of the time WSJT-X RX Frequency decoding misses TX-3 / TX-4 / TX-5 sequences.  I have lost numerous QSO's not seeing the conclusion of the exchange sequence. No difference if I am observing another station exchanges, or my own.  Seems to be more frequent when Hold TX Freq is used, but guessing a bit here.  I think that the problem started when the WSJT-X decoding timing supposedly improved with v2.2.1

I have uninstalled and re-loaded WSJT-X and JTAlert,  Problem continues.

Is anyone seeing this?
Hi Craig,

it seems you are reporting a WSJT-X issue, WSJT-X has its own support list (https://wsjtx.groups.io/g/main).

Please provide an extract from your WSJT-X ALL.TXT file ("Menu->File->Open log directory") that covers one of these "failed" QSOs?

73
Bill
G4WJS.



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73
Bill
G4WJS.

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