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Re: New PC
Rich McCabe
Not to take it off topic but is something broke on Log4om? Works great for me. Yea somethings I don’t like but all it all it’s the best I have used except for contest.
Works fine on Win 7 and 10.
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io <Support@HamApps.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lawrence Godek
LOG4OM has a lot of nice attributes. However there are a couple of things that make me scratch because they show no inclinatiion to fix them. Oh well, nothing can be perfect i guess. No doubt it will work fine on WIN 10 but i'm going the WIN 7 route and i understand from some sources that it's a little bit different platform. We'll see. Larry W0OGH
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Scott Scheirman <scott.scheirman@...> wrote:
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Re: New PC
Brad Rich <brad.rich@...>
Someday in the near future you will have to upgrade to Windows 10 for security reasons. I tried a Windows 7 to 10 upgrade and could not get the upgrade to work. I ended up completing a fresh install of 10 and I love it. I run a large suite of HAM applications with no problems.
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io [mailto:Support@HamApps.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lawrence Godek
LOG4OM has a lot of nice attributes. However there are a couple of things that make me scratch because they show no inclinatiion to fix them. Oh well, nothing can be perfect i guess. No doubt it will work fine on WIN 10 but i'm going the WIN 7 route and i understand from some sources that it's a little bit different platform. We'll see. Larry W0OGH
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Scott Scheirman <scott.scheirman@...> wrote:
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Re: New PC
Lawrence Godek
LOG4OM has a lot of nice attributes. However there are a couple of things that make me scratch because they show no inclinatiion to fix them. Oh well, nothing can be perfect i guess. No doubt it will work fine on WIN 10 but i'm going the WIN 7 route and i understand from some sources that it's a little bit different platform. We'll see. Larry
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Scott Scheirman <scott.scheirman@...> wrote:
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
Michael Black
I should've said 10 seconds into every FT8 period. So yes...the mouse flashes to the spinner momentarily at 10,25,40 and 55. So sounds like it's the Text Message process doing it. Mike
On Friday, March 30, 2018, 2:33:32 PM CDT, HamApps Support (VK3AMA) <vk3ama.ham.apps@...> wrote:
On 31/03/2018 12:20 AM, Michael Black
via Groups.Io wrote:
Mike, The mouse pointer change @ 10 secs is not caused by any deliberate Mouse manipulation action by the JTAlert code. I suspect it is an OS action in response to a dll call. The Text Message process spawning occurs at multiple times in the minute, at 10, 25, 40 and 55 secs. If the Text Message spawning is the cause you should be seeing the pointer change at those times as well. Do you see that? Further, if the process spawning is the cause, then the pointer change should be happening as the result of other process spawning, HamSpots spotting, SpotCollector spotting, Sounds Playing, XML Lookups, Online Log uploads, etc (have a look at the number of JTAlert plugin files, they all get spawned using the same code. de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 31/03/2018 4:34 AM, Brad Rich wrote:
Brad, I am suspecting this is the case. The temporary change to the busy pointer being generated by Windows in response to a call to one of its dlls. All process spawning (needed since the JTAlert code doesn't support multi-threading) is handled by a helper application (JTAlertHelper.exe) receiving instructions from the main JTAlert process. This interprocess communications is done using a standard Windows mechanism called Mailslots. Mailslot functionality involves different calls to kernel32.dll. All bog standard Windows api functions. I am only guessing these calls to kernel32.dll are the cause, but am not certain or convinced, as there are many Mailslot commands issued during a one minute period, not just @ 10 secs. de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 31/03/2018 4:28 AM, N S via
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Where I really notice it is when I use the "big red pointer" mouse pointer set. This is a set of mouse pointers that are large and red for those that have vision issues or just have issues trying to find a small mouse pointer on a very large screen. When using any of these optional pointers, I see the flash at 10/15 and on some of them I get a double pointer.Norm, As previously stated, JTAlert does not manipulate the mouse pointer except when hovering the pointer over the buttons in the Decodes History Window. There is no pointer change made @10 secs. This "big red pointer" set you refer to, is that part of Windows or provided by a 3rd party? I cannot find such a set on any of my PCs. Is this pointer set provided by another application, if so what is it and where can it be downloaded? de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 31/03/2018 12:20 AM, Michael Black
via Groups.Io wrote:
Mike, The mouse pointer change @ 10 secs is not caused by any deliberate Mouse manipulation action by the JTAlert code. I suspect it is an OS action in response to a dll call. The Text Message process spawning occurs at multiple times in the minute, at 10, 25, 40 and 55 secs. If the Text Message spawning is the cause you should be seeing the pointer change at those times as well. Do you see that? Further, if the process spawning is the cause, then the pointer change should be happening as the result of other process spawning, HamSpots spotting, SpotCollector spotting, Sounds Playing, XML Lookups, Online Log uploads, etc (have a look at the number of JTAlert plugin files, they all get spawned using the same code. de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: Problems installing 2.10.16
Mike Steiner
Yeah I tried the reboot before you replied and that seem to fix the problem…
Thanks..
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io <Support@HamApps.groups.io>
On Behalf Of HamApps Support (VK3AMA)
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:05 PM To: Support@HamApps.groups.io Subject: Re: [HamApps] Problems installing 2.10.16
On 31/03/2018 5:49 AM, Mike Steiner wrote:
Do a PC Restart and try again to be sure that Win10 is not in an unstable state with updates pending.
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Re: Problems installing 2.10.16
JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
On 31/03/2018 5:49 AM, Mike Steiner
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Do a PC Restart and try again to be sure that Win10 is not in an unstable state with updates pending. Also check that you managed to get a full download, the HamApps_JTAlert_2.10.16_Setup.exe file should be 5154260 bytes exactly. If the problem persists, you may have to temporarily disable your virus/malware protection. de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: Problems installing 2.10.16
Just installed no problem
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From: Support@HamApps.groups.io [mailto:Support@HamApps.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Steiner
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 2:49 PM To: Support@HamApps.groups.io Subject: [HamApps] Problems installing 2.10.16
I get the following error:
Mike k7QDX
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io <Support@HamApps.groups.io> On Behalf Of HamApps Support (VK3AMA)
New JTAlert 2.10.16 is available for download.
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Problems installing 2.10.16
Mike Steiner
I get the following error:
Mike k7QDX
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io <Support@HamApps.groups.io>
On Behalf Of HamApps Support (VK3AMA)
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 11:41 AM To: Support@HamApps.groups.io Subject: [HamApps] New JTAlert 2.10.16 Available : DXView Rotator support, GridChase Fix + more. #Announcement #NewRelease
New JTAlert 2.10.16 is available for download.
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New JTAlert 2.10.16 Available : DXView Rotator support, GridChase Fix + more.
#Announcement
#NewRelease
JTAlert Support (VK3AMA)
New JTAlert 2.10.16 is available for download.
Visit https://HamApps.com for the download link and upgrade instructions. Important: For the Grid Chase fix, a Scan Log needs to be run so that missing confirmed Grids are identified. Release Notes for 2.10.16 New Features: de Laurie VK3AMA
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
Brad Rich <brad.rich@...>
It might be an operating system thing reacting to an app call. I doubt seriously the app intended to manuopulate the mouse pointer at 10 seconds.
From: Support@HamApps.groups.io [mailto:Support@HamApps.groups.io] On Behalf Of N S via Groups.Io
Where I really notice it is when I use the "big red pointer" mouse pointer set. This is a set of mouse pointers that are large and red for those that have vision issues or just have issues trying to find a small mouse pointer on a very large screen. When using any of these optional pointers, I see the flash at 10/15 and on some of them I get a double pointer.
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Re: JT ALert causing double mouse pointer
N S
Where I really notice it is when I use the "big red pointer" mouse pointer set. This is a set of mouse pointers that are large and red for those that have vision issues or just have issues trying to find a small mouse pointer on a very large screen. When using any of these optional pointers, I see the flash at 10/15 and on some of them I get a double pointer.
I'm not sure why JTAlert would have any need to manipulate the mouse pointer. Norm
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Re: New PC
Jim Brown
Hi Larry, It's nearly impossible to find a NEW computer, or even a refurb, with anything but Win 10. If you're REALLY lucky, you may find one with Win 7. These are the operating systems -- what matters more is processor speed and RAM. Also, remember that while older machines have a lot lower speed, the older operating systems don't automatically add a lot of "Stuff" for the processor to deal with and to fill RAM.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Lawrence Godek <LawrenceG94@...> wrote:
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Re: New PC
Jim Cooper
On 30 Mar 2018 at 8:17, Lawrence Godek wrote:
I see some on Ebay that have 8 or 16 gig of memory along withMY experience is that you should get the most RAM as you can possibly install on the PC ... 32GB or even 64GB ... what slows down the pc most is not CPU crunch but memory crunch, since everything that is runnint on the pc has to be held in RAM ... if the ram gets full, the pc then takes gobs of ram and writes it to the hard drive, opens that gob of memory for a new use, runs the use, then copies the gob back from the hard drive to the ram ... you can imagine that that does not happen very fast !! Also, the memory used for video display .. on lower end pcs .. is taken from the RAM ... and a lot of what we do now with digital ham stuff has a lot of video displays -- so video memory is very important in affecting the pc performance. My suggestion is to try to get a 'quad core cpu' if you can -- a bit more expensive, but when the cpu DOES get loaded down having the 2 extra 'cores' lets it do twice as much work at the same time ... and this is especially important for stuff like FT8 where all the decoding of the whole band has to be done within a couple of seconds -- and lookups done by JTalert add to that stress during the few seconds before everything gets displayed. fwiw, I almost always buy refurbished equipment ... most of the time they are just 'open box' items, and they are guaranteed by the refurbisher -- look for refurb places that are 'authorized' by the name brand or by Microsoft ... they have a reputation to uphold. jim w2jc
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Re: New PC
John
Larry,
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Figured you were out in the "sticks" and it sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what you want, you sound hesitant to pull the trigger as it were, which you will do when you are ready. I would suggest you give Dell a call, talk to one of their people, the computer will be new and you won't get Win 7 though, Win 10 is way better, I'd say 90% of the grips with it have been addressed. With Dell, you get a good computer from a company that makes good computers and they have good warranties, techs will talk you through any problems on the phone or have a look at your computer from their office or have you return the computer for repair. Still think it would be wise to build some future into the new computer but I'm not spending your money, am I? Good luck, hope to work you on WSJT-X. John VE3KKQ
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Re: New PC
Lawrence Godek
John Well my needs are for a desktop that runs Win 7, only one monitor is necessary for me. I don't know if 8 gb or memory is adequate or if i need 16GB. There appears to be plenty of USB ports on it but the graphics card may be something generic and not of the quality i need or want. I suppose the audio is now incorporated into the mother boards whereas previously we had to buy a separate plugin. A 500 gb HD is plenty as i do no do games etc, this is my HAM APPS computer and nothing more but doing look ups on the net. No one else uses it. Must have WI-FI capability and i'll need to add a board, possibly the one from this XP machine that gives me a couple of serial ports from which i run auxiliary equipment and program radios from them as well. The thing about buying the refurbished machines is that you don't know how much expansion room there is and if what you want to be added in can be. The ads don't say whether or not there is a CD R-W unit or if one can be added, Most of the time i don't even get responses from the refurb outfits. They want to see the machine to you as it is. If your not a techie, then you may not know what your buying.
On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:02 PM, John <jonie41@...> wrote: Hi Larry,
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Re: New PC
Scott Scheirman <scott.scheirman@...>
I don’t know anything about LOG4OM, but a quick google search suggests that it will work fine on Win 10. The LOG4OM site suggests that it has ended XP support
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Migrating to a new PC can interesting. Good luck, Scott W7SLS
On Mar 30, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Lawrence Godek <LawrenceG94@...> wrote:
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Re: New PC
Lawrence Godek
I have a couple of grandkids but they live in Texas and i live in Arizona. They don't come here to play on the computer so it's just me. I don't need a high end graphics card cause i don't play games on the machine either. It's used for Email and ham radio only. What i have works really well but the XP Pro doesn't have the power nor the memory to run all the digital stuff as the system locks up when i try to run the Decode History page on WSJT-DX. Been wanting to go to Win 7 anyway. I see some on Ebay that have 8 or 16 gig of memory along with 500GB of HD of which i will never use more than 60% of so that's perfectly adequate. i'm not sure how i will get the LOg4OM database into WIN7 though from the XP Pro system. I've been told that you can't reuse some of the stuff from XP into win 7. That's my big concern as it's quite large and has all my contacts in it. Thanks for the note. APpreciate any input as to this change.
On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:41 AM, Gilbert Baron <w0mn00@...> wrote:
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